Another Word on Artists Submissions…

Filed Under (Rants) by FuNkwoRm on 06-08-2012

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3, 776…At the time I’m writing this, that is the number of submissions, in my inbox,  that I have yet to listen to. This number steadily increases because the number of submissions that come in, is always greater than the number I’m able to give an ear to; and I try my best to listen to everything.

I wrote a pretty passionate rant about artist submissions sometime ago. Since then, I made some changes to decrease the number of annoying email blast promotions, but this did little to help the listening and reviewing process.

Typically there is something that gets lost between you and your core audience with growth and popularity. I’m noticing that on a very small scale. This blog is now popular enough to the degree that it has become  a sort of “drive thru” submission spot for many passerby artists. My submission page is sometimes the most trafficked page on my blog. What this tells me is that people are just submitting music without even checking out the rest of the content.

There’s a lot of horrible music out there, and a lot of it makes finds it’s way in my submission inbox. Some of this comes publicists and promoters that submit , on behalf of the artists, whatever music they’re paid to push. Sometimes those artists have never even heard of this blog. This blog has a small but very loyal number of readers, but the task of sifting through the outside crap thats sent to me keeps me from focusing on them and steals the fun out of the process.

I’ve had a few people tell me that I should find someone else to deal with artists submissions; and I had a few volunteers who had a taste for music that I trusted. They ALL soon came back with statements like, “I can’t believe you do this shit on a regular basis!” or “OMG, most of these are terrible!”

Anyway, to keep this from being another drawn out rant, I’m saying all this to say that I have to make a major change  in this process or this will become just a blog based on business information and the Rap Ratz  comics I do each Sunday. I put in many hours into this blog and any money made from it, barely pays for it’s upkeep. I keep doing it because I love this blog and I appreciate the many cool people I’ve met because of it. But from here on out,  most of my attention will only be given to those who comment, give feedback and participate in the activities of this blog. The focus will be on building a community that can share and collab with each other.

If I could give artists any advice on this, it would be to make your presence known on other blogs as well. Bloggers will usually respond to a comment far quicker than they would an email; if you’re not spamming them of course. Thousands of other artists are just doing “drop-off and take-off” submissions. Take a small amount of time to become a regular presence on the blogs you like, and you’ll develop a connection that may increase your chances of getting your music posted.

Til then, I’ll still be taking submissions on the contact page, while listening at my leisure, to the many already sitting in my inbox.

 

 

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  • https://www.youtube.com/user/KennyLaveauMusic?feature=mhee Kenny Laveau

    FuNkwoRm,

    Thanks so much for this post. Being an hip hop artist myself, I realize the need to promote those who promote you and also personalize everything you do, rather than just spam a million people. I follow your blog often and regularly tweet your Rap Ratz comics – a very unique and funny idea in my humble opinion. You clearly understand how to position your site in a way many other blogs don’t by offering something different. Keep up what you do – there are many of us aspiring artists who appreciate the opportunity you give us, regardless of whether we happen to get posted or not.

  • http://soundcloud.com/cicero4patpro Cicero4patpro

    Keep up the good work man! I stop by on the reg for your tips and great posts. I’ll try and make an effort to comment and share your stuff more.
    ~Cicero

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Lajit, I won’t stop. I appreciate the comments because it puts me in touch with the people who actually read the blog. I can’t make this blog better without your feedback. Glad to have you as a reader!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    The IP addresses would do that but it sounds like a lot more work for me to sort that out. In the end, I just want to post good music. I have your email address, maybe I’ll give you a holla if this new approach doesn’t work out. I appreciate the offer though!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Thank you Joshua!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Hey Dizzy! Glad to have you here fam. I’m not bitter about it all. Artists with bad music usually don’t know it so you can’t get mad at them. It just gets frustrating that it takes me much much longer to find the gems now. I’ve tried delegation. I may try it again if I can find a team with some good ears. I appreciate the encouragement and I’m stopping by your Facebook page.

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    KC stopped by your page to bookmark it and the first joint I heard on autoplay was real nice. Keep in touch. I’ll be looking forward to it.

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Thanks N.O.V. I started the Hot or Not voting for that very reason. But most people still only take the time to vote when I post popular indie artists like Hopsin. Some stuff I just refuse to post here because I know readers like you won’t like it. It will work out in the long run. I appreciate the suggestions bro!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Thank you Kenny. I’m just trying to keep you and others informed, entertained, and offer some exposure when I can. I’m grateful for your kind words bro! Please stay in touch.

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    I’ll be looking out for you Cicero! Thanks for the feedback.

  • http://www.jakob22.com Jakob22Music

    Appreciate the advis and allot of the articles here.

  • http://twitter.com/bobbyjwoody Bobby Woody

    anytime man!

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/dirtypthirty Dirty P.Thirty

    That couldnt have been writtin and explained any better. If people only knew what it took to develope and maintain a soon to be very popular blog site and plus understood the flow of content then most wouldnt even waist theyre time submitting anything but this is the purpose of it all…and thats is to educate the curious.

    You are doing a very great job…keep up the good work!

  • http://twitter.com/kittysplayhouse Krystal Ellis

    I definitely agree with everything said in this post. I commend you on all the dope work you’ve done with this site, as well as the Online Grind manual, which i purchased and utilize all the time to help further my artist’s career. Thank You for everything that you do.

  • http://twitter.com/speedonthebeat Speed on the Beat

    Greetings. I’ve visited the blog a couple of times and this is my first time actually posting anything. Nevertheless, I love the set-up and the blunt, but still friendly, advice that you have given on this page and throughout the blog. If there were more bloggers like you, perhaps hip-hop blogs would have more varying music/subgenres. Alas, one can only dream.
    Keep up the great work and I’ll be sure to keep stopping in.
    -Speed on the Beat of Team DAR

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/KennyLaveauMusic?feature=mhee Kenny Laveau

    Will do brother. Thanks for the response!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Thanks Speed, and I’m glad to meet you. I’ll be looking forward to seeing you here fam!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Thanks Krystal. I figured that I could keep complaining about the state of hip hop or do something to help it by trying to expose the music I DO like. Glad to have you here and appreciate you purchasing Online Grind. Much success to you. Keep in touch!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Thanks Dirty P. I’m trying my best bro. Keep in touch.

  • Vic Jayy

    This was one of the videos that was submitted. You tell me what you think.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/kidmus1c K.i.D

    that is very very highly appreciated..u don’t even know :) i wish other blogs had such dedicated people.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/kidmus1c K.i.D

    That is very very highly appreciated :)

  • http://soundcloud.com/kali-paylin Kali P. Hendrix

    This was a great read, and I admit until now I haven’t been active on the blog as far as comments even though I visit daily. However, like it was said before it’s hard to be active on every blog we send music to, as it is also difficult for you to got through all the submissions you get. I understand how hard it is on both sides. I’ve even submitted music to you a few times with no results but I just want you to know you do a good job here and I hope with this next song I have it may land on your blog haha but I have plenty of work in my soundcloud to peep until then if you wouldn’t mind taking a look. Keep up the awesome work though man, I’ve been reading this blog for close to a year now and it’s still great.

  • http://soundcloud.com/sd-zoo SD ZOO

    Been reading for a while, never commented, but one of the only real blogs I follow. I appreciate what you do and understand your frustration here. Bright side of this overload though, you gotta be doing something right. Thank you

  • Skeezo

    DAMN DAMN DAMN!!! NOW THATS REAL! IT MAKES THE MUSIC MAKERS MORE APPRECIATIVE AND MORE INTERACTIVE. …I HAVENT EVEN GOT A CHANCE TO SUBMIT YET BUT I ALREADY RESPECT THIS BLOG TO THE FULLEST ALREADY. KEEP BANGING!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Well don’t hesitate to submit. I’m changing the process of how I review submissions as I type this reply. Thanks for the comment Skeezo. Glad that this blog has earned your respect fam.

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    You’re right. Thanks for your optimism! Glad to have you as a reader SD. Keep in touch.

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Thank you K.I.D.!!

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  • http://www.pacthiphop.com Political Animals

    Appreciate it man! I always leave a comment every once in a while or tweet a good article, i’ve actually gained quite a bit of knowledge from this site, it’s been very helpful

  • http://www.pacthiphop.com Political Animals

    thanks man, we’ll be looking forward to it!

  • http://entelleckt.com Mike Wyatt | @Entelleckt

    Seems like there’d be a way to have a gateway of some sort to your submission page that only opens to people who actually read and comment on your articles. Gotta be a WordPress plugin for something like that.

    P.S. Love the Rap Ratz comics. Its like the Boondocks (comic strip, not the show) of rap to me.

    P.P.S. What topics are you looking for guest posts on?

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Thanks Mike. In the end. I just want to effectively expose good music and avoid the clutter. I’m not looking for guest bloggers to post on topics. I just want them to post music.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/onetwenty OneTwenty

    I think that the indie hip-hop community needs to start shifting its focus into the realm of artists helping each other, rather than each artist sitting on their own “indie island.” I know this isn’t true for all artists, but it’s definitely true for quite a few (even myself in the past) where we want to get our music in front of as many people as possible.

    What often gets forgotten is the quality of the people we want to get our music in front of. As an artist, most of the time we’re looking for potential fans, or anyone who could get our music to the right people in the industry. What I see so often is people just dropping tracks everywhere, forums, blogs etc. – without even engaging in that community. It’s somewhat ridiculous to think that cats are going to want to listen to your music when you haven’t participated in their community. You want to give bloggers, fans and other musicians a good incentive to listen to your music.

    Recently, I chose to start giving back to the hip-hop community, so I can feel your pain to about 1/10th the degree you have. I’ve decided to take time out of my schedule, to put together bi-weekly mixtapes for unheard indie hip-hop artists that want to be a part of said mixtape. I’m asking very little, just for submitters to read a post as long as yours above and submit songs to me in certain formats. It’s amazing how many artists just skip over the “how this works” part of the page and submit music improperly. Already I’ve designed album art, a website and written long emails and posts about how this works. Taking time away from myself as an artist.

    However, I really love hip-hop, so I’m going to keep supporting it. I hope that, eventually, I can start to see some benefits from putting this together. Whether it’s attention to my music (which won’t be on the releases), finding artists to collaborate with or maybe a few extra fans here and there. It’s all worth it to me though, and I know you’ve given a whole lot to the community so I know you think it’s worth it as well.

    Enough of my rambling, thanks for what you do for the indie hip-hop community!

    -OneTwenty

    PS – Chris aka K.i.D. is going to be on the first release, I noticed he posted up there!

  • http://www.dyent.net R.O.M.E.

    At 1st when I started submitting to blogs it was hit or miss. For the most part I got lucky if you will. Later as the hip-hop scene became saturated it seemed like the doors that were open were now closed but the blinds were open. A few select features later, and more reading, I noticed exactly what I was gonna suggest before you said it at the end.

    For years I didn’t really pay attention to that part of the game. Hell I thought that I’m sending traffic that way, staying up to date and promoting the hell out of it so there should really be no problem. I then started to look at it like music in general. A person may have thousands of plays, downloads, views, etc. but not everyone shows face. Later you get a “Hey that was real dope!” and so on. But the one’s who do, you def remember and put them in a diff space. They become your audience while everyone else is just listeners. That’s what it started to make sense.

    I get updates from here and check out what I can, when I can, seeing how business is a little more hectic right now than before. Wanted to get a little info today and low & behold what do I see lol. All I can say is thanks my man!! Even if it’s just an info site w/rants it’s fine w/me!! I just appreciate what you’re doing b/c the game is so “mainstream” now w/a high lack of musical appreciation!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    Very well put R.O.M.E. I myself am certainly guilty of being a longtime fan of other blogs that I’ve never commented on. The reality with this blog is that building a community or “water cooler” like atmosphere will do far more for artists than a post; because let’s be real, probably 85% or more of the people that come here are other artists themselves. This blog was built for the artist first, the fan second. And maybe that’s just it. There is no mainstream news or gossip articles to create polarizing discussions. It’s just crazy to have a blog with so much traffic with so little feedback. But, I will continue on. The feedback I’ve received from you and others will definitely help to make this place better. And that’s what it’s all about!

  • http://quickbeats.net FuNkwoRm

    It’s amazing how many artists just skip over the “how this works” part of the page and submit music improperly.

    This statement sums up a whole lot about what I experience while running this blog. The many that care very little make it harder for those that do. I guess this is part of the process. Before blogs, radio stations and record companies had to deal with these very same issues when taking in artists submission. The only difference is, the annoyances are probably a whole lot easier to deal with when you’re receiving a weekly paycheck to deal with them. But I respect what you’re trying to do to help the hip hop community as I’m sure others do as well. Great feedback. I’m going to check out your bandcamp link. Keep in touch.

  • http://aviannalejsocial.com Avian Nalej

    Great post! I’ve been reading your posts on this blog via my google reader for several years now, mostly soaking in the information & applying it where I see fit. I’ve submitted music a few times but I’ve found that with the high amount of music blogs on the internet and the submission/follow-up demands of each, the process can be a little daunting. I find that the more I perform in my city of Chicago, event crash, and network, the more bloggers I meet along the way that are interested in working with me. So I think at a time when many artists are looking towards the net as a crutch with hopes of becoming the next viral phenomenon, there is now an opportunity to cut through the noise by making great impressions and increasing brand awareness in person.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/onetwenty OneTwenty

    I know, right? The artists who don’t seem to care much about anything other than THEIR music create problems for real hip-hop heads who are down for anything and everything hip-hop, even if it isn’t their music.

    I managed to get the first mixtape out, and so far, things have worked really well. It’s definitely drummed up some interest for other artists, so I’m getting submissions everyday. But still, at least HALF of the submissions are unusable, not because they’re wack but because I specifically said “I need a link to a downloadable version of your song, or the actual file itself in 320/MP3 quality.”

    What do I get? A bunch of links to YouTube videos, c’mon guys, really? So I end up sending a ton of emails explaining the same damn thing. I can’t imagine how frustrating that is for you man, I mean… damn!

    If I was getting paid to do this, oh yeah, I’d have very little or no problem with people missing the easily presented information. However, being that the site I’ve created has no avenue for revenue. In fact I’m not even sure if I legally can accept revenue from it without drawing up a lengthy Terms and Conditions document. I have a feeling that if any songs make it to the mixtape with uncleared samples, and then I’m allowing people to download the mixtape directly from my site while collecting revenue from ads…

    I think that could land me in hot water, because I’m essentially distributing pirated material in the form of other’s work.

    Either way, good luck with your current venture with finding guest bloggers! If you do end up checking out my music, thanks in advance, let me know what you think!

    -OneTwenty

  • http://dszasesEXFZexEZTESazssseaeeaasdwraw sm

    I liked this one i think it very true we as artist get caught up trying to be everywhere that we dont take time read any for the thing on the blogs which many timea hold valuable information that will help avoid mistakes or fast track somethings i will now make it a point to read some of the write ups

  • http://rhymes365.tumblr.com Sheed365

    Hey FuNkwoRm, thanks again for your words last week. You responded to A LOT of comments man!

  • http://Soundcloud.com/BMgotnext M.O

    This is my first time on this site and I will be submitting music. Just wanna let you know on behalf of me and the rest of the unsigned talent that is good and never get’s heard. THANK YOU for your effort and respect to the craft and I fully understand your frustration with this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gullyjewelz.dmv liveGHOSTofAdeadEMcee

    If I might make a suggestion. I used to freelance for a music review site that had a similar problem of too many artist submissions. What they did was ask each artist to review 3 other artist’s songs as a means of 1) creating community 2) sharing the burden and 3) emptying the cue-list.

    They had criteria for lenght of reviews and quality of comments in the review, as a means of filtering out the jack-bootleg-fakes who would agree to a review and just do 1-2 sentences so they can get their own songs reviewed.

    I thought it worked well. It didn’t completely eliminate the number of songs waiting to be reviewed, but it did speed up the process of getting songs reviewed. They also went as far as giving timelines. If you wanted your song reviewed by the 2nd week that you sent it in, you had to review 5 songs by the end of the 1st week.

    Just a thought. (I’d be willing to write reviews – I’m a hip hop junkie!

  • http://shivat.net shiva thinakal

    indiehiphop.net!! I always check it out, but haven’t left comments. I will comment that the schoolboy Q song up top is dope, as is this blog. I hope yall get to see my website shivat.net, you will like if indiehiphop is your thing!

  • http://shivat.net shiva thinakal

    and keep up the good work funkworm, can’t find any radio freq on here lol.

  • AshleyI

    Very true Artist need to become more focus on building a presence online and then send a press pack in a email instead of, YO Check me out I’m Hot loool. Music industry is 10% or in today’s game 5% percent talent and the other 90-95% is all business.

  • xcv 1996

    Wow! That was awesome! Thanks for the info, I’m working on getting a better microphone and improving my flow…… I submitted my music a few weeks ago, could you tell me what you thought of it? My name is Nortey, aka no direction. I just posted a new song on my SoundCloud,could you check it out? https://soundcloud.com/#xcv-1996

  • http://defnotemusic.com Def Note

    I read a few of the comments (there were too many too read LOL) and I agree with 3flection. Its too hard for an artist to be involved with every site there is. Our goal is to reach as many ppl as possible, but as I read in another post, its not just about reaching ppl but about reaching the right ppl.

    I think in your next submission rant, you should make a connection with the that idea.(I haven’t read the first) Artist should at least listen to music post on that site and read the feedback the readers give. If your a gangster rapper and you submit music to a conscious rap blog, how far will you get? Maybe a few likes but your efforts are better spend else where.

    thanks for this post. It gives me a good idea of how to approach submission. Last week, I was on that drive thru mentality but now I’ll at least check out the contents of a site before I submit anything LOL